# Bootstrap 4 Customiser. How do Pinegrow and Bootstrap 3 customiser compare - and where is BS V4 one? **URL:** \ **Category:** Bootstrap\ **Created:** [February 17, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/bootstrap-4-customiser-how-do-pinegrow-and-bootstrap-3-customiser-compare-and-where-is-bs-v4-one/2738 "2019-02-17T23:32:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/bootstrap-4-customiser-how-do-pinegrow-and-bootstrap-3-customiser-compare-and-where-is-bs-v4-one/2738/1 "2019-02-17T23:32:57Z")
Hello there. I was just posting on a query by @randyrie and that made me look some stuff up. So! we have this fine video from Pinegrow , showing how to Customise Pinegrow theme using Pinegrow’s built in functionality [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4ciqMHQIKs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4ciqMHQIKs). IS this the way to go? So start learning the whole SASS stuff in order to better go about this, instead of just. creating a _my-styles.css_ kind of thing and over riding the BS styles which seems a bit enefficient, as pointed out in this comment > **[How to Customize the Default Bootstrap Style, the Right Way | BootstrapBay](https://bootstrapbay.com/blog/customize-bootstrap/#comment-2483003544)** > > In this tutorial, we explain how to customize the default Bootstrap styling the right way, by adding a separate custom stylesheet. By RoyTruelove. which says this. ![2019-02-17_23-31-31](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/pinegrow/original/2X/0/03ba046ade51c811bd9ecd15a5e9f6c9eacf6ea1.png) Now, does this NEGATE the use of such things as the Bootstrap 3 customiser? And why is there NO version of this for BS 4? …although I do see that they SELL …custom BS _themes_…ok then! maybe this is why? So This [https://getbootstrap.com/docs/3.4/customize/](https://getbootstrap.com/docs/3.4/customize/) and > **[Bootstrap Live Customizer](https://www.bootstrap-live-customizer.com)** > > Customize Bootstrap's LESS variables and see the results live on the page, then download the compiled bootstrap.css to use it in your Bootstrap website! and > **[Bootstrap v4.3.1 Customizer](http://www.bootstrapcustomizer.com)** > > A free online tool to compile Bootstrap v4.3.1 Sass SCSS files into a customized Bootstrap CSS file. and Since I’m at it, I remember seeing tools that would customise your BS framework and chop out all the stuff. you didnt require - which of course , would be a pain if you then wished to implement something in an update…if you didnt have the original in your repository. such as so second question, What is a good way to go about cutting out all the stuff you don’t need in a Bootstrap build site? and…finally final! …so probably my 3rd Question…maybe 4th. lost track. is there much point in starting to learn BS 3 now or go straight into 4, for myself as I I have very few BS projects to play with, and as for backwards compatibility or upgrading, has anyone used tools like these [http://upgrade-bootstrap.bootply.com](http://upgrade-bootstrap.bootply.com) to upgrade BS 3 to 4 **DISCLAIMER** I have not really put enough footwork into all this myself yet, so I don’t expect a guided tour, just some pointers to the best practice and some links to send me on my way. Cheers 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Printninja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/printninja/32/1181_2.png) [@Printninja](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Printninja)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/bootstrap-4-customiser-how-do-pinegrow-and-bootstrap-3-customiser-compare-and-where-is-bs-v4-one/2738/2 "2019-02-18T02:58:45Z")
I prefer to leave Bootstrap as is, and just make my own classes for things like colors and such. The reason is because I have my own class names I’ve come up with over time that mean specific things to me (like .att-text-sub for example.) I’ve never used SASS or tried customizing that way, though at some point I’m sure I will. I wouldn’t waste time learning Bootstrap 3.x at this point. It just gets confusing when you have to jump back and forth between the two. I also don’t see the point in chopping out unused Bootstrap classes because the current obsession with compactness and load speed (eg. Google’s Accelerated Mobile Pages) will be short-lived. It reminds me of when storage was super expensive, and we used to use utilities that did real-time compression and decompression of files to save hard drive space. Right now, we’re stuck on 4G and a lot of places only have 3G, but this will change. By the end of the 2020’s, 5G will be ubiquitous, and nobody will care about saving a few dozen kb of data in a CSS file. ---
**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 3:13am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/bootstrap-4-customiser-how-do-pinegrow-and-bootstrap-3-customiser-compare-and-where-is-bs-v4-one/2738/3 "2019-02-18T03:13:14Z")
Cheers. Well, Welcome to Wales! We are a bit _rural_ in places… And 3G is pushing it. I hope 5g never happens as the infrastructure is aweful and inefficient. But as for the rest of it, yeah. > … I might try and learn the Pinegrow/Sass thing on the PG Video… > and then get to play with the _big Boys_ in the web world… yeah…right! 🙂 So have you tried those customising things on line, or never o seems like to much humph , when you just want a few colours changed? Ok Next contribution? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Printninja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/printninja/32/1181_2.png) [@Printninja](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Printninja)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:17am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/bootstrap-4-customiser-how-do-pinegrow-and-bootstrap-3-customiser-compare-and-where-is-bs-v4-one/2738/4 "2019-02-18T04:17:40Z")
I’ve yet to try customizing Bootstrap via an of the online tools or Pinegrow’s own ability. It’s just quicker and easier to write a new class as I need it. But learning HOW to do it is on my to-do list.