# INTERNET CENSORSHIP LAWS- Do you know about this EU proposal- UPDATE-Ha! it got turned down-this time **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [June 29, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008 "2018-06-29T23:25:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/1 "2018-06-29T23:25:07Z")
This is pretty major. Total upload Filter/monitoring/censorship/copyright (apparently! yeah right… good luck on that) Implementation. to thereby stifle your every word… if it is unpalatable…or sorry, I mean _copyrighted_. do you guys know about this/have any views, are active, posted protests, lobbied MP’s, online petitions etc or such like? this Paragraph from the intro is a good summary. _The Copyright Directive includes the controversial Article 13, which mandates the mass monitoring and censorship of internet uploads. The vote comes after widespread criticism of these measures and against the advice of civil society, of leading academics and universities, of research institutions, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Opinion and Expression and even the inventors of the internet and of the world wide web._ from > **[EU takes first step in passing controversial copyright law that could "censor...](https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/20/17482554/eu-european-union-copyright-filter-article-11-13-passes-juri-vote)** > > "It’s a sad day for the internet ... but the fight is not over yet." and from a couple f the links at the end of the article. > **[Press release: MEPs ignore expert advice and vote for mass internet censorship...](https://edri.org/press-release-meps-ignore-expert-advice-and-vote-for-mass-internet-censorship/)** > > In a vote today, 20 June 2018, the Legal Affairs Committee of the European Parliament voted for  a Copyright Directive, which includes measures to monitor and filter virtually all uploads to the internet. The Copyright Directive includes the... and > **[We can still win: Next steps for the Copyright Directive](https://edri.org/next-steps-copyright-directive-article-13/)** > > On the 20th of June 2018, the European Parliament’s Legal Affairs Committee ignored all advice and voted for the chaotic Article 13 of the proposed Copyright Directive. There are several steps for the EU institutions to go through before the... ---
**Author:** ![Printninja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/printninja/32/1181_2.png) [@Printninja](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Printninja)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/2 "2018-07-01T00:46:12Z")
This is interesting. The sovereign being in me finds this repulsive, while the business owner in me reluctantly sees a few merits. I’ve had entire websites stolen by former clients and reuploaded to new servers, and felt absolutely infuriated and helpless by the theft. About ten years ago, I posted an original poem to a poetry contest site and won first prize, and then saw my poem posted on another poetry site about a year later, with someone else taking credit for writing it. It was infuriating (fortunately, I was able to prove it was my poem, and the site owners took it down.) It would be kind of nice if I could digitally “sign” a website, a text, or an image, and then know immediately if someone, somewhere has stolen it in part or whole. At the same time, the idea of every single thing I upload or post being scanned and monitored simply because Big Brother claims they want to protect us all from digital theft seems implausible. Someone is out to make a buck here. At the end of the day, I’m doubtful they could even do it, technologically speaking. I don’t believe machine learning us up to the task. At its most basic, it’s fairly easy to compare bits to bits. I upload a two thousand bit .jpg image and the filter goes to work searching the entire internet to see if this two thousand bit file perfectly matches any other file. It comes back with four matches. The picture is one I uploaded to my own blog, my Facebook page, and which I also sent to my sister who put it on her instagram page, and one of my friend’s copied it and shared it on their Google+ page. The picture is copyrighted, because it’s an original creation, and in the U.S., any original creation is automatically protected by copyright laws the moment it’s created. But how does the filter know that I don’t MIND that my sister and my friend shared it, or that I am the same person who owns my Facebook page and my Blog? How does any monitor know the status of a copyrighted item, or whether the owner has given a particular person permission to copy that item? The only way this could even begin to work is if every single person who accesses the internet has some sort of unique digital tag that is forever attached to them, which identifies them without question, and which is kept in some massive database somewhere. And it would have to identify them regardless of where, when or how they accessed the internet. We’re basically talking about “chipping” human beings. Then, there are a million other technical challenges. What about people who host their own servers? What about VPNs? What right does any entity have to monitor traffic on a private server? In such a case, I’m not even “uploading” anything, I’m simply hosting files, and allowing public access. Granted, if I host files publically, and someone comes on my server through an ISP and downloads one of my files, for a short time the file enters a public realm, but now we’re just talking about file sharing, which we already have a litany of laws over. And what will all the companies like Dropbox and Google Drive have to say? Or will the filters be implemented at the ISP level, and if so, will they want to comply? This is a HUGE privacy issue. The entire premise of the internet is freedom. I’m free to do what I want on my computer. You’re free to do what you want on your computer. But the second we want to connect our computers (for whatever reason) we are no longer free, because the ability to connect has been privatized, monetized, and if this law goes through, policed. I see this as being absolutely horrible, and honestly, technically infeasible. Maybe we all better dust off our 2400 baud modems and plan to connect through the phone lines again. ---
**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/3 "2018-07-02T10:09:32Z")
Well, its quite a bit worse than that, @Printninja mate… We’re basically talking about “chipping” human beings. now, if you were to add the word _Digitally_… in there, ie _Digitally Chipping_ … well, that is already being/been done! [https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/09/how\_gchq\_tracks.html](https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/09/how_gchq_tracks.html) > **[NSA stores metadata of millions of web users for up to a year, secret files show](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/nsa-americans-metadata-year-documents)** > > Vast amounts kept in repository codenamed Marina, with data retained regardless of whether person is NSA target > **[Global surveillance disclosures (2013–present)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosures_(2013%E2%80%93present))** > > Ongoing news reports in the international media have revealed operational details about the United States National Security Agency (NSA) and its international partners' global surveillance of both foreign nationals and U.S. citizens. The reports mostly emanate from a cache of top secret documents leaked by ex-NSA contractor Edward Snowden, which he obtained whilst working for Booz Allen Hamilton, one of the largest contractors for defense and intelligence in the United States. In addition t T... This one is pretty hardcore… apparently the _Standard_ British ISP and phone provider, BT, BT Telecom, BT Group etc … supplies routers to all customers\> With built in backdoors, firmware modifications etc. This is pretty grim > **[Report accuses BT of supplying backdoors for GCHQ and NSA](https://www.csoonline.com/article/2134231/report-accuses-bt-of-supplying-backdoors-for-gchq-and-nsa.html)** > > Researchers accuse BT of placing backdoors into firmware, linking their modems to network in the U.K. with IPs assigned to the U.S. Department of Defense Sound far fetched? every home, service user REGARDLESS OF REASON…given a device with a monitoring back door? provided by the ISP? check this out > **[UK's new Snoopers' Charter just passed an encryption backdoor law by the...](https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/30/investigatory_powers_act_backdoors/)** > > How far will it go? You'll have to ask the Home Secretary that is at the point of entry. to the Internet. and, WHEN your on it. > **[INCENSER, or how NSA and GCHQ are tapping internet cables](https://www.electrospaces.net/2014/11/incenser-or-how-nsa-and-gchq-are.html)** > > A weblog about Signals Intelligence, Communications Security and top level telecommunications equipment this site is great! see this post there too. As, if your American etc you’re SUPPOSED to have Privacy laws (haha, just in case you were still under the illusion) BUT… once your data leaves the States, heads to a foreign soil… where there are _reciprocal arrangements_ in place bingo. its theirs. > **[NSA also has arrangements with foreign internet providers](https://www.electrospaces.net/2013/08/nsa-has-also-arrangements-with-foreign.html)** > > A weblog about Signals Intelligence, Communications Security and top level telecommunications equipment so as you state - " The entire premise of the internet is freedom. I’m free to do what I want on my computer. You’re free to do what you want on your computer. But the second we want to connect our computers (for whatever reason) we are no longer free At the same time, the idea of every single thing I upload or post being scanned and monitored simply because Big Brother claims they want to protect us all from digital theft seems implausible. Someone is out to make a buck here." The Internet was built on the back of the Cold War, as a way to maintain communications after a nuclear strike. In order to effectively command and control war orders, gather intelligence and better and more effectively control the war effort. Unfortunately it is still doing the same thing. However, WE , collectively are now the enemy! until someone, somewhere decides WHICH SECTOR of _us_ are _undesirable_ and then - they have total digital fingerprints on _us_. Tracking via mobile devices, _smart meters_ in homes showing when houses are using power the most , and most likely to be occupied (rolling out across the UK - not good if you DONT want a wifi transmitter in your home, either side of your head in the neighbours houses, cooking you all day and night and impossible to turn off) \_ I wonder …what will be the next _innovation_ they will then piggybank on the back of that permanent , always on, wifi transmitter, in every home… for instance > **[Is your smart meter spying on you?](https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jun/24/smart-meters-spying-collecting-private-data-french-british)** > > The French are getting heated up about their meters collecting data on their daily lives. Perhaps the British should be concerned too so, … I didnt reply sooner because this seems a little _tin foil hat brigade_ … if… you buy into the fallacy, that anyone who is capable of free thought, can see the erosion of our very _illusory_ Freedoms and KNOWS (from simple reading collected, collated data and reports from acknowledged experts in the field on the the subject matter) that there is Mass surveillance going on… and that there are draconian plans being put into place in all the _democratic_ countries… some passing scrutineering, without even a Whimper from our parliaments! such as this in the UK > **[Majority of public unaware of government online surveillance](https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/snoopers-charter-investigatory-powers-bill-government-online-surveillance-majority-uk-unaware-a7749851.html)** > > 'The public and parliamentary debate about the Investigatory Powers Act was overshadowed by Brexit' So, as well as all this COVERT data collection, they now are demanding OVERT collection of EVERY SINGLE THING you put on the Internet… which of course… will add to your digital profile Kept by someone. judged by someone until You fit someones profile of something undesirable, or more than likely, profiled by a computer program for some reason. … so yeah. its worth thinking about, people. Are you, black, white, hispanic, gay, lesbian, transgender, care about your land, your country, a minority group, disabled, disenfranchised, living on state benefits, an asylum seeker, on the run from criminals, etc etc. someone may want to get you for what you are. not what you have done even. sound far fetched? I humbly present this link , if you have weathered the storm of my previous ones… [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First\_they\_came\_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_)… The concentration camps were liberated at the end of WWII. 1945\> this is only 73 years ago. They managed to collate that much information WITHOUT global computer systems and target their _group after group_ of selected targets. oh! apart from one notable exception… the MAJOR squeaky clean Computer company… that benefitted and enabled the mass extermination records to be collated. Did you know about IBM and their role in the exterminations of _undesirables?_ > **[IBM and the Holocaust](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust)** > > IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation is a book by investigative journalist Edwin Black which details the business dealings of the American-based multinational corporation International Business Machines (IBM) and its German and other European subsidiaries with the government of Adolf Hitler during the 1930s and the years of World War II. In the book, published in 2001, Black outlined the way in which IBM's technology helped fac... … all that … with Punched cards! Look what data _they_ have now… This is a precise of the book, it makes for a very good, short intro, by the author. [https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/black-ibm.html?mcubz=1](https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/black-ibm.html?mcubz=1) So with regards, running web servers, web development, and being a Provider of mouth pieces for individuals and organisations of the world, and being information and Media presenters to the masses… The Maoist revolution, only ended in 76 > **[The Cultural Revolution: all you need to know about China's political convulsion](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/11/the-cultural-revolution-50-years-on-all-you-need-to-know-about-chinas-political-convulsion)** > > Fifty years ago one of the bloodiest eras in history began, in which as many as two million people died. But who started it and what was it for? And that came about… after Mao _tricked_ the intelligentsia under the Guise of _chasing the snakes out of the grass_… By asking them All to Critique the Communist party of China, in order to better move forward and overcome their short fallings… This was the _hundred flowers_ movement. It led to the executions and buring alive of hundreds of thousands, if not millions. here you go, this is a nice summary… if there can be such a thing. > **[The Biggest Anti-Intellectual Movement in History](https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-biggest-anti-intellectual-movement-in-history_2234683.html)** > > Throughout history, intellectuals have been frequent targets of tyrannical regimes to suppress political dissent. But Chinese communist leader Mao ... so, bare that in mind… when publishing _critical Articles_…er… like this? … 42 years ago… again, no massive computer data collection then. Imagine its now… I mean…really… and if that seems a little distant or _well thats them, over there…_ Black and coloured people in the good old US of A? _1955 In Montgomery, Alabama, Rosa Parks (1913 – 2005) is arrested for breaking a city ordinance by refusing to give up her seat on a public bus to a white man. This defiant act gives initial momentum to the Civil Rights Movement._ from > **[African%20American%20History%20Timeline.pdf](https://www.nps.gov/saga/learn/education/upload/African%20American%20History%20Timeline.pdf)** …and it boggles the mind to think what would happen to the REAL original inhabitants of North America now, (the Native Americans) if current society had landed there with it’s data logging capabilities. I have no experience of North American Indian Reservations… but the reports aren’t good. or Canadian ones. but… how does 1996 sound? too close for comfort? > **[At least 6,000 children died in residential schools, TRC chair says | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/residential-schools-findings-point-to-cultural-genocide-commission-chair-says-1.3093580)** > > Justice Murray Sinclair, the chair of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, says at least 6,000 aboriginal children died in Canada's residential schools. The exact number could be much higher because documentation is scant. …school children…in a state/church run system… ended only 22 years ago. again, a people, segregated out because of ethnicity… and this is documented and assisted by data and computer storage and systems… as is everything nowadays. SO this stuff is REAL and CURRENT. That stuff was ACCEPTED then as NORMAL… ITS CRAZY So, what if you were running a site for a Black African Web site down town in Los Angeles then? Do you really think that your house, home, car, business and self were safe? what about now? WHO do you work for now, WHAT are you principles? WHAT injustice (if anything) do you stand up AGAINST? WHICH Organisations do you you represent with your work? That you both do and DONT believe in? _I don’t really care for them, but, it pays the bills_ Is NOT an excuse if your running the mouthpiece of said organisation. I think, that how our roles will be monitored… is important. if you work for Not for Profit Organisations, anti war, pro Gay rights, raising awareness against injustice sites… You may very well become a target. Or , even just raising awareness of such existing injustices might make you a target. such as this post. But, it NEEDS to be said. because of your job and the service you LAWFULLY provide to other LAWFUL but disgruntled individuals. if you run their mouth piece, then if you are incapable of carrying out that role… that mouthpiece is silenced. SO now, they want to Check EVERYTHING you post under the banner of _copyright_ protection. REALLY? do you really STILL believe that? after the list I just posted? the _digital chipping_ is upping a gear… every single thing you say, do, create, work, will be data logged, cross verified and ATTRIBUTED to you… or another. and if your POST is outspoken Critique of … _them_ or _unjust practices_ and is NOT attributed to … another. then, you are the instigator. I again post this, by Martin Niemöller, 1892–1984 (he’s lived through the times I posted links about) First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. now, just add… _Then they came for the information providers They had come for me—and there was no one left to speak for me._ It’s worth thinking about. ---
**Author:** ![Printninja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/printninja/32/1181_2.png) [@Printninja](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Printninja)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 4:38am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/4 "2018-07-03T04:38:03Z")
You are a man after my own heart. ---
**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/5 "2018-07-03T22:07:24Z")
Ok, one comment… ONE COMMENT! On the largest threat to the entire ecosystem that most people on here ,utilise for their Occupation, education, informations sharing and expression. WOW! We have until JULY 5th to contact our MEP (Members of European Parliament) and kick up a sh\*t storm about this bad bad package of law. especially article 13 check out this site. [https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/06/29/eu-copyright-proposal-will-hurt-web-wikipedia/](https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/06/29/eu-copyright-proposal-will-hurt-web-wikipedia/) and in the UK… MP’s (Members of Parliament, Government Employees) Are ALREADY proposing extending this _UNIMPLEMENTED LAW_… to _CENSOR_ what THEY (or whoever _they_ are, in the future) deem to be _Extremist_ … wow. Stephen Doughty, Conservative MP… if you know this guy, CONTACT HIM! if he is anything to do with you and let him know what a poor visionary Dufus he his being. its not even in. …and this extension has NOTHING to do with copyright. This is why, and how, in the UK, we have Schools videoing parents and Councils filming people putting rubbish in their bins… …to prosecute them. Under the _anti Terror_ laws… really? Bins? School catchment areas? WHAT? > **[Computing - The UK's leading source for the analysis of business technology](https://www.computing.co.uk/?v3)** > > Computing is the leading information resource for UK technology decision makers, providing the latest market news and hard-hitting opinion. This is the danger we face. _Extend the existing laws for other purposes_ or as Microsoft use Embrace, Extend, Extinguish and here is an easier to digest summary [https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3034494/eu-votes-to-effectively-ban-memes-electronically-as-article-13-passes](https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3034494/eu-votes-to-effectively-ban-memes-electronically-as-article-13-passes) ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/rob/32/9_2.png) [@Rob](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/6 "2018-07-04T22:08:20Z")
@Printninja re: images give this a go I think you’ll be surprised at how well it works! [Reverse Image Lookup](https://reverse.photos) ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/rob/32/9_2.png) [@Rob](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/7 "2018-07-04T22:13:14Z")
> **[The internet in the EU is under threat!](https://changecopyright.org/en-US/?utm_source=newsletter-mofo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=copyright-stage2kicker&utm_content=text1&utm_term=4747819)** > > I just took action to save Europe’s internet. Will you join me too? ---
**Author:** ![Printninja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/printninja/32/1181_2.png) [@Printninja](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Printninja)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/8 "2018-07-05T00:13:35Z")
Why go through a gateway, why not go directly to Google’s image search? ---
**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/9 "2018-07-05T21:56:40Z")
YES! EU TURNS DOWN COPYRIGHT LAW! YES! > **[EU's controversial copyright plan rejected](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44712475)** > > Politicians reject legislation aiming to modernise copyright law, despite support from music stars. for now… check out September > **[EU politicians reject controversial copyright reforms, 'link tax'](https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/eu-politicians-reject-controversial-copyright-reforms-link-tax-for-now/)** > > The war on memes takes a break until September. We just avoided _carpet Bombing_ of the Internet and free Speech. this is GREAT NEWS. 1. COPYRIGHT LAW TURNED DOWN. 2. NEW PINEGROW WITH CSS GRID STUFF (will download it tmrw, with better Internet connection 🙂 THANKS@ Pinegrow devS! 😃 3. I have just been Hammock Camping in the woods and some PineTRees! 😃 fab!! what a great return state! ---
**Author:** ![Printninja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/printninja/32/1181_2.png) [@Printninja](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Printninja)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/10 "2018-07-05T22:50:39Z")
That’s great news. Congrats! ---
**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 9:00am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/11 "2018-07-07T09:00:01Z")
OK! Keeping this current, since EVERYONE was so interested in just how this would effect the entire medium they used to earn their living, hobbies, keeping their dreams alive… not! here you go! some info links [https://saveyourinternet.eu](https://saveyourinternet.eu) > **[r/announcements - THE MEMES ARE SAFE. REPEAT, THE MEMES ARE SAFE (for now)](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/8we31l/the_memes_are_safe_repeat_the_memes_are_safe_for/)** > > 54,613 votes and 2,589 comments so far on Reddit and a list of all the MEP (Members of European Parliment) in the EU and how they voted. if your in one of those countries and ACTUALLY want the Internet to carry running as it does so you can ACTUALLY use it… Find yours and lobby them! > **[r/europe - MEP votes on the EU copyright directive by name - Sorted by country](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/8wblrj/mep_votes_on_the_eu_copyright_directive_by_name/)** > > 499 votes and 165 comments so far on Reddit ---
**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 9:20am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/12 "2018-07-07T09:20:13Z")
And…just in case there are any SLOVENIANS… in this audience… _Cough cough_…oh! Hi @matjaz, 😃 ![2018-07-07_10-16-59](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/pinegrow/original/2X/1/167647edcad1509b2ed0110f52135ec8a1db51d8.png) Just ONE vote for this Internet Annihilating Law. My! What a nice country! I must go there some time 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Farscaper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/farscaper/32/385_2.png) [@Farscaper](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Farscaper)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/13 "2019-02-23T19:54:21Z")
At the risk of being seen as supportive of such subversive views, I would like to see the relevant portions of this discussion combined into a single Medium post so that others can view them in proper context. Who is willing to give attribution and have their name/s flagged even further on some blacklist? ---
**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/14 "2019-02-23T19:56:54Z")
May I humbly suggest that you fulfil said wish by pursuing this noble endeavour yourself? … then post us the Medium link? O:) ---
**Author:** ![Farscaper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/farscaper/32/385_2.png) [@Farscaper](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Farscaper)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/15 "2019-02-23T20:01:41Z")
It’s not like I haven’t handled some heat, with thirteen lawsuits over the past 18 years, but I’d hate to see any of my Pinegrow friends sue me for copyright infringement. ---
**Author:** ![Farscaper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/farscaper/32/385_2.png) [@Farscaper](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Farscaper)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/16 "2019-02-23T20:16:44Z")
Seeing as I am already eternally damned by some self-defeating desire to help humanity, I suggest the following. If the two of you polish up the post so that it is on point and as thoughtfully condensed as possible, I will post my first Medium blog after I first review it and have a chance to “stockpile provisions”. You can be sure that that term alone has generated more computer power at the NSA than a bitcoin mining operation in China. Ha. ---
**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/17 "2019-02-23T20:25:44Z")
polish…/? … POLISH!@!!? This! my good man, is a finely cut Gemstone… HONED. , with crystalline edges of Razor like Sharpness. Pah! there is no place to left to Polish… … I left you a few mere crumbs to dust… there is nothing left to polish…\> So feel free to still my blood and sweat and toil and go wild and crazy over on Medium… I may check the current situation for updates…but as it has taken me 3 days , JUST to get a functional, multi level (apparently its better for mobile to use sidebars… yawns…) Dropdown nav item to work, I wouldn’t hole your breathe on prompt handy work in that department just yet. Oh yes and I now have trawl through 24 years of paperwork to go to Legal professionals (financial asset strippers would be a better term) in order to stop corrupt uk local authorities from stealing/destroying my apartment/should be my home,…after boarding it up for 24 years, hounding me out of my own property and cutting my water off for 7 years. so yeah, tell me about legal…why dont you 😛 ps (I hope your well over there, but dont tell anyone over there, Or I too will get tarred and feathered with the \*Les Henderson/Marilyn Monro/JFK Axis of Evil Brush… ) ---
**Author:** ![Farscaper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/farscaper/32/385_2.png) [@Farscaper](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Farscaper)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/18 "2019-02-24T00:24:16Z")
Pinegrow is clearly a draw for revolutionary web designers, even though semantic scholars or thought police enforcers may one day question the alternative meanings of the term revolutionary. ie. It can also describe just about any shit disturber, or even a collective of inebriated men/women on an unfocused mission to save humanity from its current narcissistic, selfy-view of life by pointing out certain dangers of which they have no concern. Had I not thought that your joint, well-formed, treatise was immediately worthy of widespread glory I would not have offered to expropriate it as my own glowing wisdom. Time to do the important is always at a premium. With your mutual permission and feedback, I’d like to see your shared and sensible views see the light of day, even if it spells darkness for myself. ---
**Author:** ![Farscaper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/farscaper/32/385_2.png) [@Farscaper](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Farscaper)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/19 "2019-02-24T00:30:10Z")
Oh, my commonwealth brethren, I’m here in Canada, not the southern Floridian land of litigation unbounded, from which 99% of my legal concerns arise. ---
**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 12:45am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008/20 "2019-02-24T00:45:42Z")
GO wild(er) and Crazy(ier) Do you know that in the UK (which now has the most Draconian Surveillance laws in Europe.) After the introduction of the _Criminal Justice Act_ in the mid 90’s , (1994) (which , when it was being proposed as a _bill_ kicked of the whole **Kill the Bill** movement in the uk) it passed… since then something like TWO People is an **illegal gathering** and SIX Vehicles together is an **illegal convoy**? etc etc Check out [http://www.urban75.org/legal/cja.html#assemblies](http://www.urban75.org/legal/cja.html#assemblies) and if bored or interested, check out [http://digitaljournalist.eu/OnTheRoad/travellers/](http://digitaljournalist.eu/OnTheRoad/travellers/) oh yeah and learn about the BATTLE OF THE BEANFIELDS… and our UK _LaW AND JusTice_ System… [http://digitaljournalist.eu/OnTheRoad/travellers/](http://digitaljournalist.eu/OnTheRoad/travellers/) you can youtube it…it might raise some Eyebrows… I lived _on the road_ for 7 years, in an old converted post office truck, after I Left the Parachute Regiment. -so then I was apparently a _New Age Travller_ Really? was I? Who says so? Oddly enough, I didnt really fit in either of those genres too well\> Guess what? I still dont 🙂 but I learnt a lot about _justice_ and yet I have been a _me_ to myself throughout it all. And something else to others…a Variable thing. and here I am.doing legal crap… to sort out…stuff that harkens back to those days. 25 years ago. sweet Jesus! STilll , u know about legal stuff too… 🙂what a balls ache And so I went from Working for the state - being upstanding in Britain And hated in Northern Ireland to being Hated in Britain… and not in Northern Ireland anymore, but would have been hated if back there -£1000 bounty on our heads, In fact I still wear this guys Windproof smock, (Combat jacket) Tony Harrison [http://parachuteregiment-hsf.org/Northern%20Ireland.htm](http://parachuteregiment-hsf.org/Northern%20Ireland.htm) near the bottom of the page… the only black guy there… funnily enough I mentioned that to him before he returned to Northern Ireland after leaving the Paras to go live in NI with his Irish Girlfriend. … really really really… not a smart move. As like the ONLY other Black guy in Belfast… I had an eerie moment last year when My then girlfriend borrowed my smock to go to. the toilet as I was reading a book. as she left, I got to the bit where He was killed. I was reading a book written by the driver of the get away car of his murder… She returned, I said nothing, but just stared at my smock for quite a while. this is him going on about it, the Driver. > **['I was trussed up like a turkey, waiting for a bullet in my head' - a chilling...](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/g00/tvshowbiz/article-1175903/I-trussed-like-turkey-waiting-bullet-head--chilling-film-reveals-life-IRA-double-agent.html?i10c.ua=4&i10c.encReferrer=&i10c.dv=14)** > > He was the double agent who saved 50 men from IRA killers. But as a new film reveals, when Martin McGartland's cover was blow, his own life was at stake. And …then I was an Ambulance driver, in a uniform and loved again. now, well, I’m a me. and Bemused/confused by the whole experience of life, but Realise that what. you are, and what you SEEM to be, and what people think of you and _your type_ can change like the wind. … so People should really be wary… and be protected from their _protectors_ and protect themselves. over here, it didnt happen. Sleep walking into the slaughter house Once someone in authority decides that YOU represent a particular _THEM!_ your screwed. You might not even be a THEM , never were or maybe was but no longer are… but, crazy B89tards get in power. Nazi’s, Fundamentialists (Christian ones too! ANY religious zealots) Communist dictators (which is kind of an oxymoron! the PRINCIPLE of Communism is pretty sound. the PRACTICAL APPLICATION…er…doesnt really have the best track record in the world) Trump…\>Adolph… go figure. Black people segregated _the Land of the Free_ until the 1950s… WHAT??? …while the actual native Americans liver on _reserves_ … And people thing this stuff is _far fetched_ Really? [Next page](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/internet-censorship-laws-do-you-know-about-this-eu-proposal-update-ha-it-got-turned-down-this-time/2008.md?page=2)