# Multiple Views -- Feature Expansion -- Array of Sizes
**URL:** https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422
**Category:** Feature Request
**Tags:** feature-request
**Created:** [December 8, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422 "2017-12-08T20:36:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 14
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### Author:  [@Pinegrow\_User](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Pinegrow_User)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/1 "2017-12-08T20:36:28Z")
Hi @matjaz
I think it would be worthwhile if Pinegrow offered a feature to instantly display an entire predefined array of device sizes, and also a user input defined **array of device sizes** for responsive development. To expand further the benefits of the Multiple Views feature.
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn5UosAz5bQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn5UosAz5bQ)
[https://pinegrow.com/pg4/web.resp.mp4](https://pinegrow.com/pg4/web.resp.mp4)
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It would be nice to have the ability to **simultaneously open an array of device sizes** to view, adjust and develop responsively across the current active page view.
**Additional Features Like:**
- Open Array of Devices - From Default Array or User Defined Array
- Arrays could also be predefined and segmented into groups like: Phones, Tablets, iOS, Android, etc.,
- Devices shown at 100% size - Width & Height
- Toggle synchronized Scroll of all device views at once, so all Scroll together, or singularly
- Toggle synchronized Rotation of all device views at once, so all Rotate together, or singularly
- User Scroll across all Views, Horizontally and Vertically
- Cascaded and Packed/Repack accordingly of the overall view in Pinegrow
I think these basic aspects may be something to seriously consider. I’m not sure if it could be tied into the existing Multiple View workflow, or need a different entry point. But it seems like a worthwhile feature based upon the current Multiple View workflow, yet **expanding it further** for even faster development in Pinegrow.
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I posted regarding this concept in this former thread about SizzyApp.
[http://forum.pinegrow.com/t/sizzy-pinegrow-v3-multiple-page-views/933](http://forum.pinegrow.com/t/sizzy-pinegrow-v3-multiple-page-views/933)
[http://sizzy.co/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpinegrow.com](http://sizzy.co/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpinegrow.com)
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Here are a few others similar to SizzyApp with multiple devices and similar concept.
Emmet Re:view + Emmet LiveStyle
[http://re-view.emmet.io/](http://re-view.emmet.io/)
Responsive Viewer - based upon Emmet Re:view
[https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/responsive-viewer/ljapjemlolfmfgpaiiajbkgaajhikohl](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/responsive-viewer/ljapjemlolfmfgpaiiajbkgaajhikohl)
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Also here are some device size lists, if you are interested in adding more or other devices to the defaults and within this **array concept**. There might be some other worthwhile devices and popular common sizes amongst these to consider.
- [https://material.io/devices/](https://material.io/devices/)
- [https://testcloud.xamarin.com/devices](https://testcloud.xamarin.com/devices)
- [https://blisk.io/devices](https://blisk.io/devices)
- [http://simplecss.eu/](http://simplecss.eu/)
- [http://html5test.com/devicelab](http://html5test.com/devicelab)
- [http://viewportsizes.com/](http://viewportsizes.com/)
- [http://screensiz.es/](http://screensiz.es/)
- [http://dpi.lv/](http://dpi.lv/)
- [https://mydevice.io/devices/](https://mydevice.io/devices/)
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I think the ability to **simultaneously open an array of device sizes** would aid in the concept of Pinegrow’s Multiple View feature, yet expanding it further for even faster responsive development in Pinegrow.
Thanks in advance for the feature consideration @matjaz.
♥🌲
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### Author:  [@Pinegrow\_User](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Pinegrow_User)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/3 "2018-04-18T15:39:28Z")
Here is another example with similar aspects to those already mentioned, regarding this concept.
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**Solis For Mac** , it’s by the creator of the Blocs App for Mac.
Seems to be a really nice implementation of the idea and already has some very nice features for version **1.0** of the app. If you are a Mac user, it may be worth checking out for only **$29.99**
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> **[Solis For Mac - A Live Design Output that integrates seamlessly with your...](https://solisapp.com/)**
>
> Solis integrates seamlessly with your favourite code editor to deliver real time, multi viewport previewing of HTML, CSS, SASS and LESS as you write it.
https://player.vimeo.com/video/261342910?app_id=122963
> **[No more coding in the dark. – Blocs](https://blog.blocsapp.com/no-more-coding-in-the-dark-a5da95dd9bc0?gi=c53d0aa7fe78)**
>
> Introducing Solis for Mac, your code editors best friend.
> **[Introducing Solis](https://forum.blocsapp.com/t/introducing-solis/3596)**
>
> Solis is finally here folks. I created two pages one for those who use a code editor and another for Blocs users. I also posted the app on product hunt too, to help get word out. If you are using Blocs with Solis, make sure you switch on canvas...
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@matjaz
I think like the others it gives further validity to the same **expanded concept proposed above for Pinegrow**.
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### Author:  [@Pinegrow\_User](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Pinegrow_User)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/4 "2020-02-24T14:59:43Z")
It seems like the following is all that has advanced after 2 years surrounding this specific feature.
> [@Please consider updating the devices!](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/please-consider-updating-the-devices/3714):
>
> Hi, At the moment I see mobile devices to test the website on in Pinegrow from years ago like the iPhone 6. Can you please update that list? Regards & Thanks, David
Hmm … 2 years … basic device updates take that long?
> **[Sizzy — The browser for web developers](https://sizzy.app/)**
>
> Develop, debug and test your website with ease and speed. Intuitive and quick development tools help you focus on your product and ideas.
By contrast “[**SizzyApp**](https://sizzy.app/)” went from a basic browser tool and got developed into a rapidly advancing full blown app which is having **tremendous success amongst the developer community**. They are pumping new features into it constantly and the developer is super open and involved with users.
Which really makes the above feature proposal feel like a missed opportunity more than 2 years down the road for Pinegrow. Especially considering you are now spinning off new apps and these core features were all virtually already in place when this thread was made December 2017.
“[**Polypane App**](https://polypane.app/)” is another example comparable to Sizzy also showing the validity of this concept.
> **[Polypane, The browser for ambitious web developers](https://polypane.app/)**
>
> Build responsive, accessible and fast sites with a stand-alone browser. All the tools you need in one app.
Seems like the suggestion presented above would have been beneficial to Pinegrow’s bottom line based upon the success of various other apps. But at least after a few years the devices were updated. ;–)
Unless I have missed something? @matjaz
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### Author:  [@pugh](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/pugh)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2020, 10:49am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/5 "2020-02-25T10:49:48Z")
Just had a look at Sizzy app, it looks really useful. Thanks for sharing. Out of those that you have shared, which have you found works the best as part of a Pinegrow workflow?
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### Author:  [@Pinegrow\_User](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Pinegrow_User)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/6 "2020-02-25T15:05:44Z")
> [@pugh](#):
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> Just had a look at Sizzy app, it looks really useful. Thanks for sharing.
You’re welcome, yes its easy to see value in this approach.
Both [sizzy.app](http://sizzy.app) & [polypane.app](http://polypane.app) are advancing at a rapid pace seemingly in competition with each other. Sizzy may have more traction as it really exploded when it was posted on Product Hunt, while each are discussed readily amongst the developer community.
Both apps are being rapidly developed.
- sizzy - [Sizzy release notes](https://headwayapp.co/sizzy-release-notes)
- polypane - [https://polypane.app/changelog/](https://polypane.app/changelog/)
Either offer a free trial, so evaluate each and see how they are comparable. Like anything it generally comes down to cost, features and personal preference.
Regarding working with Pinegrow its just like any browser and a matter of pointing to a file / location. I’m still astonished why Pinegrow was not expanded in this direction as outlined above, given what was already in place and coupled with all that it offers over apps like these.
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### Author:  [@matjaz](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/matjaz)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/7 "2020-02-26T21:58:30Z")
These are great web development tools.
We have limited resources and need to be choosy about what we do. Our area is making tools for editing and creating web projects. We still have a lot on the to-do list for improving our web editor tools.
Our side-apps like Snapshots and Theme Converter or add-ons like Interactions all tie into this strategy.
Working on an app like Sizzy would mean taking our limited resources away from our core mission. Perhaps such app would be more successful in the end, who knows… But Pinegrow is successful enough to keep us going and our ideas of what it can become are far from being exhausted.
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### Author:  [@Pinegrow\_User](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Pinegrow_User)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/8 "2020-02-26T22:14:52Z")
> [@matjaz](#):
>
> Working on an app like Sizzy would mean taking our limited resources away from our core mission.
This was never about making an app it was about building out a few features as seen originally.
> [@Pinegrow\_User](#):
>
> It would be nice to have the ability to **simultaneously open an array of device sizes** to view, adjust and develop responsively across the current active page view.
>
> **Additional Features Like:**
>
> - Open Array of Devices - From Default Array or User Defined Array
> - Arrays could also be predefined and segmented into groups like: Phones, Tablets, iOS, Android, etc.,
> - Devices shown at 100% size - Width & Height
> - Toggle synchronized Scroll of all device views at once, so all Scroll together, or singularly
> - Toggle synchronized Rotation of all device views at once, so all Rotate together, or singularly
> - User Scroll across all Views, Horizontally and Vertically
> - Cascaded and Packed/Repack accordingly of the overall view in Pinegrow
If you can currently add/open/rotate/etc singular devices one at a time through user input, then you can add them as an **array** of devices or **grouping** of devices through basic logic also. I mean implementing basic **loops and arrays** to existing logic is not building and entire app :–). So its hard to fathom it takes a massive amount of development resources given the stucture already in place with these features singularly.
But its appreciated that staff finally responded 2 years later, thats certainly welcome progress.
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### Author:  [@Robert](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Robert)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/9 "2020-04-10T20:25:26Z")
@matjaz @Pinegrow_User Why re-invent the wheel ? Why not sync Pinegrow with both Sizzy and Polypane. I wouldn’t mind paying for an add-on/plugin that would provide such functionality.
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### Author:  [@Pinegrow\_User](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Pinegrow_User)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/10 "2020-04-11T17:51:54Z")
> [@Robert](#):
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> @matjaz @Pinegrow_User Why re-invent the wheel ?
Hey @Robert,
Thanks so much for your interest but I’ve said my peace on the topic.
The concept is easily understandable at face value for anyone, so its become a moot point. There was never any re-inventing required as **the core app already had/has the underlying features** to make it possible without any complicated rewrite. If required after opening an array of sizes, they could of even leveraged one of many open source libraries for nicely arranging the multiple sizes, etc., if needed.
Other apps have now shown and proven the concept beneficial for a multitude of modern developers. The original linked thread I made here is now 3 years old, so its time to let this one also **sink into the abyss** of the forum like many other worthy suggestions.
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### Author:  [@Robert](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Robert)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2020, 9:57pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/11 "2020-04-11T21:57:31Z")
Well I actually have ulterior motives. I use both Sizzy and Polypane at various clients. I do not have subscriptions myself though. But would certainly get a subscription for one of them if PG would sync with them.
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### Author:  [@Pinegrow\_User](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Pinegrow_User)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/12 "2020-04-11T23:16:20Z")
> [@Robert](#):
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> Well I actually have ulterior motives.
Me too. In the sense that my suggestions have not been selfish but instead I’ve always just tried to suggest ways to _improve the Pinegrow for everyone_. Passion and frustration seem to be a fine line however.
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### Author:  [@Pinegrow\_User](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Pinegrow_User)
#### Post date: [May 6, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/13 "2020-05-06T19:28:47Z")
I know this is a dead topic sinking into the abyss regarding the feature suggestion for Pinegrow [as was indicated above](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/7) by @matjaz.
But for other web **developers and designers** whom see these apps as a benefit as part of their development cycle, I wanted to share another alternative in the same vain as [Sizzy](http://sizzy.app/) and [Polypane](http://polypane.app/), named slashB.
[slashB](https://slashb.app/) is actually cheaper than both Sizzy and Polypane as a **$19** one time payment (although it does mention updates for 1.x?). slashB is fairly new at only a few months old but at that price its worth keeping an eye on and seems pretty feature rich already.
“ **slashB - responsive browser** ”
> **[slashB: a new browser for web developers](https://medium.com/@albemala/slashb-a-new-browser-for-web-developers-3b1711637b67)**
>
> Would you like to spend less time developing, debugging and testing responsive websites?
> **[slashB - The browser for web developers](https://slashb.app/)**
>
> A cross-platform browser for developing, debugging and testing responsive websites. Instantly preview your website across multiple devices. Simplify your work with built-in developer tools, extensions, live reloading, and more.
It’s nice to see these types of “Responsive Design Browsers” popping up like broadleaf weeds in a young pine forrest. With more and more being developed and available all the time. Designers and developers love them as part of their workflow and clearly see the benefit. So maybe one of these 3rd party apps will help some else within their workflow(s).
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### Author:  [@Marf](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Marf)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2020, 4:56pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/14 "2020-06-29T16:56:21Z")
**Sizzy** is having a **“Birthday Sale”** at the moment!
They offer **“50% lifetime discount on any plan”**.
(I don’t know how long this offer will be available).
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The “Solo Plan” license (for one computer), is now $30 (a year), instead of $60.
And the 50% discount is recurring each following year!
There is a 14 day trial, so you can try before you pay.
See their site for info about the other plans (Trio and Team) for 3 or 10 computers.
Which are also offered now with the 50% discount.
> Sizzy is a responsive browser tool, to see and test your website/project for different device and window sizes (different viewports).
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>
> **[Sizzy — The browser for web developers](https://sizzy.co/)**
>
> Develop, debug and test your website with ease and speed. Intuitive and quick development tools help you focus on your product and ideas.
> [@Pinegrow\_User](#):
>
> By contrast “[**SizzyApp**](https://sizzy.app/)” went from a basic browser tool and got developed into a rapidly advancing full blown app which is having **tremendous success amongst the developer community**. They are pumping new features into it constantly and the developer is super open and involved with users.
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### Author:  [@Pinegrow\_User](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/Pinegrow_User)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/multiple-views-feature-expansion-array-of-sizes/1422/15 "2020-07-23T12:45:07Z")
> [@Marf](#):
>
> I don’t know how long this offer will be available
Hi @marf,
Yes the Sizzy developer has discounted promotions various times throughout the year.
Here is a newer alternative app that is open source called “ **Responsively** ”. Which already looks pretty promising for a young free alternative. There also exists a less feature rich extension called “ **responsive viewer** ” which is an open source chrome extension.
> **[Responsively App - A Web Developer's Browser](https://responsively.app/)**
>
> A dev-tool that aids faster and precise responsive web development.
> **[Responsive Viewer](https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/responsive-viewer/inmopeiepgfljkpkidclfgbgbmfcennb)**
>
> Show multiple screens once, Responsive design tester
Interesting how much this space in the industry is continuing to populate with approaches to facilitate this type of testing and workflow.