# Possible 3D render/manipulation bug in Design view

**URL:** <https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/possible-3d-render-manipulation-bug-in-design-view/5111>\
**Category:** Bug Reports\
**Created:** [March 14, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/possible-3d-render-manipulation-bug-in-design-view/5111 "2021-03-14T22:46:10Z")\
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**Author:** ![schpengle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.pinegrow.com/schpengle/32/238_2.png) [@schpengle](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/schpengle)\
**Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/possible-3d-render-manipulation-bug-in-design-view/5111/1 "2021-03-14T22:46:11Z")

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Hi there, is this expected behaviour?

having just tried out PG with the Kauri tree in 3d ,  
I am now checking out

> **[Getting Started with X3D - Step 3](https://realism.com/x3d-tools/getting-started/step-3.html)**
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> Getting started with X3D in 3 easy steps. Step 3: Add X3D code.

and PG correctly renders all the shapes!  
Trés Cool!

(_which is more than my **Brave** browser does, as the 3d file is selected via NON https, when the page itself is https, so Brave blocks it_)

however, when trying to manipulate the scene in the PG design view, I keep getting the _cannot clone something onto itself_ sort of message.

IF… I select the _thumb_ icon to allow _Clicks_ then… it works great!

BUT… should it move at all? (allow manipulation of contained contents?)  
or it SHOULD ALLOW it all WITHOUT the thumb clicked -as its a dynamically generated element?  
-as was the case with the kauri tree viewer? I didnt need to select the thumb icon for that, to manipulate it in the design view?

what is the use case scenario for this?  
Is it because there are mupliple shapes in this render and there was only 1 tree? (possibly a name title there too, so could have been 2 items)

here, have a video.

[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/pxSep_-h5nQ/maxresdefault.jpg "Possible bug when manipulating a Dynamically generated 3D element in Pinegrow Design view.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxSep_-h5nQ)

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**Author:** ![RobM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/278dde/32.png) [@RobM](https://forum.pinegrow.com/u/RobM)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 9:54am UTC](https://forum.pinegrow.com/t/possible-3d-render-manipulation-bug-in-design-view/5111/2 "2021-03-15T09:54:10Z")

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Hmmm,  
THere is an odd delay to Pinegrow realizing that it is a dynamic item. It moves the animation a little and then realizes you want to move the whole thing. Slightly odd, but I don’t think there is much to be done about it.